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it is 11:00 p.m. on the east coast. the night after the most-watched event in cnn's history. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. donald trump making the rounds. he and his republican rivals did not hold back last night slamming each other on foreign policy, business experience and childhood vaccinations. tonight we'll fact check their claims. plus carly fiorina's mike drop moment in her face-off with trump. and the elephant in the room. the hot-button issue that never even came up in the debate and should have. we'll discuss all of that this evening. we'll begin with the man who
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asked some tough questions. that's hugh hewitt. hello again. >> hey, don. i'm glad you thought the questions were hard. they were, and they were tough, and they were supposed to be. >> i want to get a tough answer from you right now. donald trump was just on fox news and this is what he said about last night's debate. >> the thing that made me most upset and everybody, else was the three hours. to be standing for three hours answering questions in the form of a debate. i think the viewers probably would have done as well as they've done. they said a record in the history of cnn. they would have done better if it was an hour shorter. it was too much. too long. i'd imagine at a certain point people get bored with that. >> why do you think the length was an issue for him? >> i don't know. he's going to come back on tomorrow or monday.
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i'm looking forward to that. i think domd trump has the best tv chops of anyone. the most training in reality television. and a four-hour show. we kept and built the audience for three hours. it was long. it was hot, and it was uncomfortable for some people. but there was an audience. and when you're trying to persuade a country that it's way off track, that the iran deal is a catastrophe, hillary clinton had nothing to say for her four years in office, that she's hiding the server. when you have lots of arguments to make, you have lots of time because president obama controls the bully pulpit. republicans need to grab every moment they can when they set up sign posts like cnn did last night. heavily promote it and use every minute. when mr. trump comes back on the hugh hewitt show i'll say you've got the best chops on tv. why wouldn't you want to go longer? we kept the audience.
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>> i'm wondering if you're going to ask him about what happened in new hampshire? one asked him about the president being a muslim. >> are you going to play the tape? i haven't seen it. >> oh, sorry. we have it? let's listen and maybe you can respond. >> the problem in this country, it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. you know he's not even an american. >> we need this question. >> but anyway, we have training camps growing. they want to kill us. that's my question. when do we get rid of them? >> we'll be looking at a lot of different things. a lot of people are saying that and saying that bad things are happening out there. we'll be looking at that and plenty of other things. >> that definitely warrants a follow-up question. president obama is not a muslim. he's a christian.training camps.
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i go back to my qods thing with donald trump. you have to ask the candidate what they heard and if they believe it. i've been in 500 stadiums, audiences where people say something and you just don't hear it. i'm sure you've experienced this as well. >> i remember responding to a question about -- once about automatic weapons and i could not hear. i was in a crowd. a protest going on. i couldn't hear what the person was saying. i understand what you're saying. he is saying he didn't hear it. and that's the response -- >> i didn't know that. there you go. >> there are people in the crowd making faces going no, no, no. so i -- >> because president obama is a christian. and if he heard the second part that there are trauni itraining there are. i'm with donald trump on this. i learned from my exchange with him last time. you have to make sure they understand the question and back up and make sure they are
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answering what you asked. i'll definitely follow up with him. if he's already said he didn't hear it, i buy that. >> i do agree with you on that. what you are talking about came up in the debate last night. here it is. >> well, i heard hugh hewitt apologize because he said we had a misunderstanding and he said that donald trump is maybe the best interview there is anywhere that he's ever done. unless he was just saying that on cnn. >> you are the best interview in america. >> we had a legitimate understanding about his mispronunciation of a word. >> i think it was. >> and he said that. didn't you say that? >> i will say this, though. hugh was giving me name after name, arab name, arab name, and there are few people anywhere, anywhere that would have known those names. i think he was reading them off
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a sheet. >> a few things. i wasn't reading them off a sheet. i've known about zawahiri since i read "the looming tower" years ago. when someone doesn't hear, it's a legitimate issue. he is the best interview in america. every single show on america, if donald trump calls up and says i'll do your show, they book him immediately. right now if donald trump calls in, don lemon, hugh hewitt is off. >> no, i'd need your help. he's a great interview because to say.'t know what he's going - he is authentic. he does this stream of consciousness that makes for good television. i'm looking forward to your next interview and looking forward to having you back on. >> thank you, don. >> a pleasure, sir. i want to bring in bob beckel, katrina peterson and cnn
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commentator buck sexton. good to have you in the 11:00 hour eastern on cnn. donald trump was just on fox. listen to this. >> it was a little bit like wwe, the great vince mcmahon who was a terrific guy. and every question had to do with me. it was mr. trump said this. mr. trump. i think they said 46% of the questions had something like that. i thought it was a little bit unusual. >> what's your reaction, bob? >> he thought it was unusual they were going to ask a lot of questions about donald trump? donald trump has absolutely dominated the political arena for the republicans. of course they'll ask him a lot of questions. they could have asked him some tougher questions. i think the guy defies the law of political gravity. he gets away with this stuff. i don't think it's going to last forever. he's been able to wade through policy issues and not come up with a single policy.
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>> katrina, the day after the debate and the headlines weren't all about donald trump. were you surprised? >> no, i'm not surprised at all. we knew going in, everybody knew going in this was going to be somewhat of a dog pile on donald trump. turns out that's what it was. i'm happy to see other people milwauk making headlines. we can look at other people's policies. >> so no one can say that carly fiorina didn't give some specifics. listen to one of her answers about foreign policy. >> having met vladimir putin, i wouldn't talk to him at all. we've talked way too much to him. what i would do immediately is begin rebuilding the 6th fleet and missile defense program in poland and conduct regular aggressive military exercises in the baltic states n send a few thousand more troops into germany. vladimir putin would get the message. the reason it's so critically important that every one of us know general sulemani's name is
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because russia is in syria right now because the head of the qods force travelled to russia and talked vladimir putin into aligning themselves with iran and syria to prop up bashar al assad. russia is a bad actor. but vladimir putin is someone we should not tack to because the only way he will stop is to sense strength and resolve on the other side. and we have all of that within our control. we could rebuild the 6th fleet. i will. we have it. we could rebuild the missile defense system. we haven't. i will. we could also give the egyptians what they've asked for which is intelligence. we could give the jordanians what they've asked for, bombs and materiel. i would supply it. we could arm the kurds. all of this is within our control. >> i kept thinking, she would not stop. the moderator could not -- are those realistic foreign policy
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goals, do you think? >> oh, i do. >> buck. >> i think the specifics she put out are all sound and good with the exception of refusing to speak to putin. we're not at war with russia. i think that putting in place some of the things she talked about would be sensible. she's trying to draw a contrast between a muscular u.s. foreign policy would look luke and what we've seen over the course of the obamma years. and a contrast to donald trump. when he talks about foreign policy he goes off into these vague notions of we're just going to be strong and i speak to smart people and watch military stuff on tv. that's i think trump's weakest suit. he admits that's his weak area. when you look at the two people who came out with headlines and polling if not momentum numbers, it's trump and fiorina. and fiorina speaks about foreign policy n shows a contrast about someone who studies up and knows the issues at a high level and
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trump is relying on the trump show. he looked tired of the trump show himself. >> bob? >> will you really put u.s. military exercises in the baltingbalt i ices? >> the baltics or balkans? >> the balt ics, of course, a nato ally. >> would you go into the baltics and do that? >> yeah, bob. we do those sorts of things all the time. we're upping our training with countries in the baltics because they are terrified because of russia's aggression not just in, crane. they're concerned and know their own -- >> if i had more time, if don doesn't have more time, he's going to throw us off. >> you're going to come back. >> it can be refuted every single one of those. >> i think it would be wrong but you could try to refute it. >> you guys are coming back. stay with me, everyone.
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one of the hottest issues in our cnn debate, some of the business records. listen to donald trump blasting carly fiorina. >> the head of the yale business school wrote a paper, one of the worst tenures for a ceo that he's ever seen ranked one of the
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top 20 in the history of business, the company is a disaster and continues to be a disaster. they still haven't recovered. today on the front page of "the wall street journal," they fired another 25,000 or 30,000 people saying we still haven't recovered from the catastrophe. >> the man who donald trump mentioned there joins me now. senior associate dean for executive programs at yale school of management. we're so glad to have you here. you were name checked in that debate. i want to play what carly fiorina's response was. here it is. >> jeffrey is a well-known clintonite and honnistly had it out for me from the moment i arrived at hewlett-packard. i find it quite rich that you would talk about this. >> is that true? what's your response? do you support hillary? are you out to get carly fiorina? >> no in the last few weeks i've had private meetings with
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fordifferent republican presidential candidates. not paid. just people who have asked if they'd do some brainstorming. i'd like to see these exchanges for a patriotic reasons that each person play to their best and sharpen what their points are and get away from the personal objectives and name calling. i haven't thrown my hat behind any party or candidate. but i think james carvell and they'd be -- i would have loved to know about that so i'd know where to send some invoices. that's completely false. she makes that stuff up. there's something indicative about that which is where we fall victims in the media and why she was such a bad ceo is she tends to criticize the critic. she discredits the critic rather than listen or learn or address the issues if she disagrees.
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it is disloyalty is any kind of dissent is equated with disloyalty. she's really harsh. >> you're talking about her tenure as ceo of hewlett-packard? >> that was her modus operandi. the way she'd treat me and my name is to shift the issue. instead of address how did you do as ceo, it's to discredit the source. >> this is from donald trump's town hall tonight. it came up again. >> i thought i'd wait a couple of days before i exposed her business failure but it's so ridiculous. yesterday on the front page of "the wall street journal," big story, main story that hewlett-packard, that they are dropping, what, 30,000 jobs? they are still recovering. they may never. and then everyone is saying she made a good speech yesterday. i don't get it. i don't get it. >> what's the truth there?
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>> and the problem there, don, is too often it's, of course, in this political campaign it's political reporters that are grilling her and not business reporters. so she uses statistics that are very misleading. she'll talk about having doubled reven revenues. it doesn't matter. she was stapling together obsolete businesses from all dying companies like compaq and digital equipment that were very low margin businesses. the exact businesses that ibm was coincidentally getting out of these devices. she went into heavy metal. that was a disaster. she doubled the size of the company. they didn't do anything to help the profits. during the five years she was ceo, profits in the country were up about 75%. s&p 500 firms. for her shareholder wealth was slashed in half. 55%. you were poorer during the five years she was ceo and what did she get? $100 million for doing that to us. the only good news she ever
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brought to that stock price was the day she was fired the stock went up 7%. she argues the board was wrong, analysts and employees were wrong. everyone was wrong except her. ten years later. how come she's never gotten a job at ceo. you don't go from a fired technology leader to the commander of the free world without any exoneration or any efforts to show that you've learned something or improved along the way. >> you are being pretty hard on carly fiorina. she took some swipes at trump for his business failures, four bankruptcies. trump insists he never went bankrupt. what's the truth there? >> the truth there is this is where i think donald trump makes a big mistake. he shouldn't be embarrassed about those setbacks. of the hundreds of deals he did that three or four of them went into bankruptcy. he wants to use the "r" word for restructuring. he may not be aware of thus. noonly is steve jobs get fired
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but walt disney went bankrupt three times. henry ford. it takes a while to get great businesses off the ground sometimes. in no country, in no content and no religion is anyone a hero unless they've had crushing setbacks. it leads us to think this person knows something we don't know. trump wrote a book called "the art of the deal." it's the art of the comeback that makes the difference. that's what he has shown. carly fiorina cites steve jobs or jack vogel who created vanguard. many of our finest ceos had been fired or some terrible adversity, but they got through it. she never got through. she's like the captain of the "costa concordia" that crashes it into the shores of tuscany. >> you are really hard on her. >> captains of industry should be accountable.
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she has a track record for nothing else other than running this company and she ran it into the ground. >> jeff, thank you for joining us. please come back. i want to bring in chris moody, reporter for cnn politics. a number of candidates made claims last night that aren't holding up. listen to this exchange and then we'll discuss. >> you wanted casino gambling in florida. >> totally false. >> you didn't get it and -- >> i was opposed to casino gambling before, during and after. >> i didn't want -- >> one second. >> more energy tonight. i like that. >> true or false? who is right? >> don, let my take you back to the 19 nunts. donald trump wanted to work with the seminole tribe to have casinos in the state of florida. he donated a lot of money to the florida gop and held fund raisers for jeb bush who was looking like he'd be the next governor of the state, and he
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was. jeb bush was very strong in his opposition to casinos and once jeb was, lected, he made it clear he would not approve any casino plans and that's when donald trump dropped his movements. he hired a consultant to look into this for him. he was looking into it. he didn't pursue it very much or at all after jeb bush had been elected. in this exchange, jeb bush is right. there are other forces in floird, entertainment companies like disney that probably do not want casino gambling because it's a family friendly area. >> the point goes to jeb bush. >> donald trump raised eyebrows with this statement on vaccines. >> autism has become an epidemuc. 25 years ago, 35 years ago, not even close. it has gotten totally out of control. i am totally in favor of vaccines, but i want smaller doses over a longer period of time.
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>> we've had so many instances, people that work for me. 2 years old, 2 1/2 years old, the beautiful child went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendous fever. got very, very sick. now is autistic. >> cnn's dr. sanjay gupta and many other experts say there is zero evidence that vaccines cause autdism. the two doctors on that stage gave pretty weak responses to that. should they have been more forceful? >> the response from the medical community in the aftermath of the debate has been really responsive. really incredibly angry. frustrated by not only what donald trump said but also the way doctors responded. if you defer to them, they'd say that, yes, they should have countered trump more forcefully. there were statements put out by a number of medical organizations that said there is no link to autism with vaccines and also on this other point donald trump made, no purpose to
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changing the schedule in which children receive those vaccines. >> chris christie made a passionate statement about being named prosecutor the day before america was attacked on 9/11. here it is. >> jake, i was named u.s. attorney by president bush september 10th, 2001. and that next day my wife mary pat traveled through the world trade center and went to her office two blocks from the world trade center. and after those planes hit for 5 1/2 hours after that, i couldn't reach her. didn't know whether she was dead or alive and we had three children at that time. 8, 5 and 1. >> what's the truth? >> this isn't as bad as the past ones. chris christie learned that he would be named that appointment on september 10th, and the appointment was delayed because of the events on 9/11 the
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background checks of making that. the spirit is true. he might have phrased it the wrong wei. he spoke to cnn earlier today. take a listen. >> i got the call from the white house on september 10th, 2001, from judge gonzalez, the white house counsel, saying the president has selected you to be u.s. attorney. it was reported the next day in the newspapers along with some other news, and then everything happened on september 11th. and then my appointment was put off because every fbi agent in america was working on the attacks as hay should have been and not doing background check oz presidential appointees. i was named on september 10th, 2001. go back and check the newspapers. that's when the president named me. i didn't take office until january. >> but he wasn't official until months later, right? >> his campaign said in the aftermath of the debate last night that he did misspeak and he should have said he learned
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he would receive that appointment, that not he was appointed. i don't think what he said last night really matters that much. but if you look at the other things we fact check tonight, donald trump on vaccines, that could have huge ramifications. the medical community is going crazy in response to that and trying to push back. so many people were watching that debate that they could be misled that there could be a link between autism and vaccines. when we come back, only one woman on the debate stage. which candidate is strongest on women's issues? ♪ eenie. meenie. miney. go. more adventures await in the seven-passenger
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carly fiorina is getting a lot of praise for her debate performance, especially confronting donald trump. >> it's interesting, mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly. what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> i think she's got a beautiful face, and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> so back now, bob beckel,
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katrina pierson. bob, one woman versus ten men and she dropped the mike right there. what made her so strong? >> she's strong because she's one of, however many they've got now, but secondly, trump, as i said last week, i thought what he said about her, there's a difference between being tough, which is what donald trump likes to be, and being mean. he crossed the line. i think she missed an opportunity to go straight at him. but nonetheless, made the point. and also the applause. i've been in these debate halls. we all bring our own supporters in. every time trump gets dumped on, everyone is going to cheer that's not a supporter. she's got a real problem. she's raised expectations. if she doesn't meet those expectations in the next debate, she'll find the presidential game is a game of expectations
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and you better be automobible td them. >> last time she was in the undercard debate and she did really well but that did not translate in the polls. >> she's obviously in a much better position now. she wouldn't think where she is is a problem. much better being on the big stage and being the big story after last night. the key moment of that entire three-hour debate was carly fiorina went head-to-head, toe-to-toe with donald trump and came out the victor in the exchange. that's the first time we've seen somebody mix it up with trump and look like they got the better of trump playing his game or being unwilling to play his game. that was a very strong moment for her. one of the points everybody remembers with good reason. a lot of momentum now behind her. she also has a lot of skills she brings to the table beyond the general identity card. she's somebody trying to run on the merits and on what she's saying and on her record despite
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what was said about her record before we came on here a moment ago. >> more about women. one of the last questions of the evening was which woman should be added to the $10 bill. here's what the men answered. >> susan b. anthony might be a good choice. >> who else could possibly be on that money other than my wife and that way she could spend her own money. >> rosa parks. an everyday american that changed the course of history. >> it should be rosa parks. >> i'd put my mother on there. >> because she's been sitting for three hours, my daughter ivanka. other than that, we'll go with rosa parks. >> i'd go with margaret thatcher. probably illegal, but what the heck? >> clara barton. i'd pick mother teresa. >> abigail adams. >> katrina is that really the best they could do? what do you think of that?
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>> don, i have to say, i was extremely disappointed with many of those answers. particularly those where the woman wasn't even an american. that was a real opportunity for these men to show their desire or respect for any of the women that were actual choice to be put on the money. and some of them just went way out of the ballpark. i was disappointed. >> i was wondering why they didn't have better answers. i said sandra day o'connor. ruth baiter ginsburg, eleanor roosevelt, harriet tubman. susan b. anthony. any person like that. >> how about huckabee saying his wife? come on. i mean, and then carson saying his mother. obviously, was a wonderful woman. but this was a time i couldn't agree with you more. a time to say something serious and make a point.
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some of them were quite good. but the rest of them were off the wall. >> sojourner truth. a bunch of people. here's how carly fiorina responded. >> i wouldn't change the $10 bill or $20 bill. i think honestly it's a gesture. i don't think it helps to change our history. what i would think is we ought to recognize that women are not a special interest group. women are the majority of this nation. we are half the potential of this nation and this nation will be better off when every woman as the opportunity to live the life she chooses. >> go ahead. does she have an advantage as the only woman? >> i was going to say that's a summary of what carly's appeal to women is across the country. she's not saying vote for me because i'm a woman. vote for me because i'm a woman who happens to be the best person for this job, which is a clear distinction between the identity of politics played time
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and time again. i don't want to get into these empty gestures and don't want to make an appeal to people based on my gender. i think i should be the next commander in chief and we should be focused on those issues. some of the answers were better than others. i liked carl e's answer. it shows that's how she's trying to make the appeal. a majority of the u.s. population that doesn't need to be pandered to. >> not a niche group. >> it's not the way it should go. >> that's the last word. appreciate you guys coming in. one issue looming large in many towns and cities didn't come up at thoue debate. we'll tell you what it was when we come back.
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the black lives matter movement is spreading across the country, yet the subject of race in america did not come up in last night's debate. want to talk about this with cnn's political commentator and van jones and a former obama administration official. van, you never know how these things are going to go. it's tough to wrangle the
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candidates. after the debate he wished hy e gotten to ask about the vets and about black lives matter. what would you have liked to hear? >> i think there was an opportunity there. rand paul did at least try to address it talking about drug policy reform and mentioned he felt there was too much of a racial bias. >> stop right there. let's listen. >> there's at least one prominent example on the stage of someone who said they smoeked pot in high school and yet the people going to jail for this are poor people, often african-americans and often hispanics, yet the rich kids who use drugs aren't. >> and i thought that was very important. it's sort of that, in some ways, the elephant in the room. we all know that kids across the country do drugs more than they should. black kids and white kids do drugs at the same level.
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six times more likely to go to prison if you are black. there's an opportunity for other republicans to at least express some concern about that. and it just dropped like a lead balloon. that kind of thing is unfortunate. makes it seem the republican party doesn't care about all americans equally. i hope it's not true but sure looks that way sometimes. >> surprised that did not come up. while the debate was going on. val valerie jarrett and other obama representatives met with several black lives matter representatives. they tweeted a picture. should the gop be more involved here in trying to understand and speak with members of this movement? >> well, i don't see that they necessarily have not. have the black lives matter folks reached out to any of the republican candidates or tried to meet with them? >> you'd have to ask them. i'm not sure. >> i'm not sure about that. as long as you have members of
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this movement chanting death to police officers and describing them like pigs and bacon -- >> that's a small number. >> it doesn't matter. it's still part of this. i haven't heard the president of the united states or anyone else on that side strongly condemn that aspect of it and be fair about what's going on. >> this was definite tea party -- >> hang on, guys. let's not get off target. that's a reality going on in parts of this movement. so if the republican -- >> that argument is so two weeks ago. we discussed that already. >> i understand that but you're asking me should the republicans be more involved in the black lives matter movement and understanding it. i'm explaining why there's a certain stand offishness about necessarily getting involved in that aspect of the movement because this is a real part of it. you have police officers being gunned down. racial aspects of that. target oz police officers. it's a tense thing here. >> van --
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>> address this, they can address it from a perspective that all lives matter. but no one is going to get run off stage in a republican primary saying that all american lives matter. >> while they may be hesitant is remember when black lives matter reached out to the democratic party and they sent them a response. the democratic party reached out to black live matter and said we're not associated with any political group. is it even worth republicans getting engaged in this? >> i really do think it is. i remember a different republican party. i remember jack kemp. my father, a strong democrat but really loved jack kemp, a great republican leader, he reached out. he talked to african-americans to want to talk to republicans and democrats and some who didn't want to talk to anybody, he was there. and what you don't see enough is people who are willing to look past a couple of nut jobs at one rally and say there are tens of
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thousands of young people who are african-american who at least care enough to march. obviously you don't say terrible things but that's an opportunity to engage. i'd love to see a republican party go back to the jack kemp days. >> jack kemp was -- that's right. jack kemp was phenomenal and power america was great about empowerment zones and teaching entrepreneurship and conservative values and why that instead of a handout from the government is more beneficial. >> black lives matter doesn't ask for handouts. >> have you looked at some of the -- they are asking for more than that. their agenda is way more than that. it's concerning to some folks. but what i -- what is unfair is to say that republicans don't care about minorities or there's no engagement. could they do a better job in communicating the message effectively in the minority community has been an area the republican party can improve on. that does not mean because they're not entertaining black lives don't matter that they
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don't care about certain issues. it's not fair to equate the two. >> van, last word. >> i agree, whether it's one group or not, but i do think there's an issue, a challenge. even priebus himself said there's an issue. and there was a missed opportunity. you didn't see the opportunity taken to really reach out to the african-american community. i hope in the next debate they do. >> whoever wins -- >> they weren't -- >> whoever wins is going to need african-american votes. so, yes, it's going to be a missed opportunity. >> it's going to be a general election situation and whoever the candidate is needs to be prepared for that. what the candidates said on stage and what their body language tells voters. >> i suggested to president bush that he not go to war, okay? so i just want that on the record. plaque psoriasis...
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he specialize inside nonverbal communication. i had to get that jab in as an lsu tiger. >> thank you for having me on again. >> patrick, we saw a couple awkward moments. this is marco rubio. >> i'm also aware that california has a drought. that's why i made sure i brought my own water. >> hi. my name is chris christie. i'd like you to take the camera off me and put it on the audience. how many of you believe that in today's barack obama america your children will have a better life than you've had? you see? that's why i'm running for president. >> okay. crickets in the audience. what happened there? >> you want to start with marco rubio because i think this is really interesting. making a good joke is really hard. and doing that as parley as he did reflected how he did not
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know his audience. you make humor, you have to violate expectations somehow. he was making fun of himself when he was responding to barack obama's state of the union address and his groping for water. now when he's dealing with an audience dealing with drought that is socially displacing them, economically causing pain and there's even a threat of death and life-changing activities, that joke just went over terribly. too close. too soon. and it wasn't a benign violation of humor. just a violation of expectation. >> that water thing is in most people's rearview mirror. there was also this fun moment that came towards the end of the night. candidates were asked what their secret service name would be if they were president. here's what it is. >> it's very high energy,
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donald. >> awkward. >> bush smacked him pretty hard. how did you view that exchange? >> okay. the great thing when you look at this in slow motion you have to deal with donald trump is a germophobe and averse to any physical contact. here he is offering his hand. jeb bush comes down hard and donald trump's arm recoils backwards. but if you look at jeb bush's face, you see this micro expression of anger. his jaw is clenched, his lips are thin. he's angry and it's a reflection of all that happened beforehand leading up to the debate, during the debate. an incredible moment. textbook moment of anger showing up on someone's face. >> that's anger?
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that's anger for jeb bush? >> if you look at it micro momentary is someone who is very much in control of himself. that brief moment that shows through. it's pretty awesome. >> okay. so as we talk about this, we can look at the many faces of donald trump. i want you to talk about what that says about him. and we'll scroll through them. >> okay. so the one thing i'd like to say about donald trump is that he works the audience and works large audiences. you notice that he's been going. he worked cleveland. you have thousands and thousands of people. he goes in front of thousands of people, supporters of him, and he does a great job. so one of the ways to look at him is to look at him as a shakespearean actor. maybe even a professional wrestler. remember, he had a stint in the wwe, or the wwf at the time. what he's doing is broad
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gestures. the problem is, he's on tv. he's in front of 500 staunch republicans who are very subdued, and he's got a camera right on him, so his facial displays are overacting. >> i enjoyed watching his facial expressions. thank you, patrick stewart. we'll be right back. we go all in the internet of things. what we're recommending as your consultants... the new consultants are here. it's not just big data, its bigger data. we're beta testing the new wearable interface... ♪ xerox believes finding the right solution shouldn't be so much work. by engineering a better way for people, process and technology to work together. work can work better. with xerox. ♪ lease the 2015 rc 350 for $429 a month for 36 months.
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that is it for us tonight. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 9:00 eastern. "ac >> good evening, thanks very much for joining us. the breaking news tonight, donald trump making his first appearance since last night's cnn republican debate by all appearances, and i emphasize appearances, taking a bit of a victory lap. he just wrapped up a down hall q and a session in rochester,

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